090 | Ask the Expert: How to Build a More Diverse Team with Dr. Raymona Lawrence from The Inclusive Networker Podcast
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[00:00:00] All right, friends. Well, today's episode is one that I have been seriously so excited to record because even though it's something that I really haven't talked about on this podcast yet, it's something that's been on my heart and I really feel like it was a direct,~ uh,~ prompting, if you will, from the Lord for me to connect with the lady that you're gonna meet today.
So, Dr. Ramona Lawrence of the Inclusive Networker Podcast is here in the house with me, and we're gonna be talking about, well sharing your story, first of all. Cause it's really. Amazing, but also sharing some tips on how you can be more inclusive in expanding and growing your team, because I really think this is an important ~con, uh,~ concept ~and, ~and really something that needs to be talked about more.
And I love that she has an entire podcast focus on this. So Ramona, thank you so much for being here and be my sole sister already. Oh, yes, we are definitely connected and I'm so excited to be here and to have this conversation with you, and I think it's so important for our network marketers, and especially people who are building teams, we [00:01:00] have got to have these conversations and not be afraid.
And so I'm excited to jump in. Yes
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. Well, I would love for you to share, I know we are just getting to know each other, but I would love for you to maybe share just a little bit about who you are. ~Um, ~you're a doctor, which I can't wait to hear more about that. That's just super cool. So tell us about that, your background.
You are a network marketer as well, and so just share a little bit of your backstory with us. Yeah, so I always like to start podcasts or anything that I'm doing with this question of what's your lens? Because I think that that really kind of tells people how I view the world, what happened in my background that made me,~ um,~ want to talk about.
You know, being an inclusive networker. And so, you know, I always say I was,~ um,~ you know, raised in the deep south. I live in Georgia,~ uh,~ south Georgia, Southeast Georgia,~ uh,~ near Savannah, as we were talking about before. So I was wa raised in the. I was raised in the deep south,~ um,~ and I was raised in a very Christian home and I [00:03:00] was, I always say that I was raised at the corner of black and blue, right?
So my dad was the chief of police,~ um,~ when he retired for our,~ um,~ local police department. And so, ~um, ~I have that real perspective of, you know, being a black woman in the south,~ um,~ you know, being. From,~ uh,~ a place where I had both of my parents. ~Um, ~I have both of my parents, right? They still lived,~ um,~ 10 minutes down the road from me.
~Um, ~and then I was a child of a police officer. And so my view of the law enforcement system and all of that was very different than a lot of other people's. I could walk into the police department and say, Hey, buzz me back, right? I just had a different. Experience. And so through that, I,~ um,~ had to realize that everybody didn't have the same experience, right?
That, that there were things that were different with other people. So that's one piece I was,~ um,~ raised at the corner of black and blue. Then,~ um,~ I am a [00:04:00] public health professor, so that's where the doctor part comes from. And so, ~um, ~I'm a professor at Georgia Southern University and I,~ um,~ really just have been trained on social justice.
You know, how do we make sure that,~ um,~ we have diversity, equity, inclusion,~ uh,~ how do we look at ways that people are treat, not treated fairly in the healthcare system? And so, I have that piece of my lens. Then my first business was network marketing. So when I came into network marketing, they said, you know, everybody with skin and hair can get to the top.
But when I looked at the top, I didn't see people with skin and hair that looked like mine, right? So I started to say, well, there's. Something going on because you can't tell me that everybody with skin hair like mine didn't work hard enough. They didn't do what they were supposed to do. Something else is happening.
And so they started flying me all over the [00:05:00] country to do diversity and inclusion trainings for the consultants. And I realized, wow, this is a big issue. And. All of network marketing. It is not just a my company issue, it is a network marketing issue. ~Um, ~it's a business issue,~ uh,~ but in network marketing, not a lot of people are talking about this.
And so that's how I started my business. And so all of those things kind of come together to shape my passion for. Inclusiveness, right? Diversity, equity, and inclusion. ~Um, ~and in network marketing specifically. So that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Oh my gosh, I love it. And I love hearing the black meets blue the coin.
You know that story? Yeah. That is, A beautiful kind of segue into what people might be kind of thinking or feeling right now in this like hyper politically charged environment. When you hear terms like social justice or ~you know, ~you know, equity or D D E I, if you will, right? Like mm-hmm. Terms that that can [00:06:00] make people feel like, wait, what?
I'm listening to this on a network marketing, on a Christian network marketing podcast. What, what is. Uhhuh. Well, I really believe as someone you know who, who is a Christian, and that's where I was telling you right before we hit record that I was reading in second Peter one, chapter one about how when we're wanting to exemplify being, you know, in Christ, being focusing on brotherly love and important and the most important factor.
Just love, I think. Find ways to realize we are all daughters of the one true king, and we are, we, we need to be better and we need to be more aware. Not again for mm-hmm some political situation, but we need to be more aware of why it is that, for example, on my team, You know, and I have some amazing women of color on my team and I love them so much, but if you look at a leaderboard, or if I were to, in fact, I'm gonna do my recognition this weekend and mm-hmm.
You're not necessarily gonna see a, a woman of color on that leaderboard. Mm-hmm. [00:07:00] I want to change that. I wanna know how to change that. Yeah. And I think other women want that same, same information and same heart. And I love that you're mm-hmm. Kind of mixes in. Both perspectives, right, of what it looks and feels like to be a black woman in network marketing, but someone who also understands that it's not.
~Um, ~you know that there's a, there, there are lots of different perspectives, right? So I can't wait to talk about mm-hmm. This with you. This is so good. Yeah. And, and, and let me add something here. ~Um, ~you know, based on what you're saying, one thing that we have to realize is that acceptance doesn't equal a agreement, right?
You can accept people, you can love people. Without necessarily agreeing or saying that you would do that thing that they're doing. So that's where we have to separate things. God only called us to love people. Right? And so that's the thing, is that you can accept people, you can be inclusive without agreeing with.
What they're doing are saying, okay, [00:08:00] now I'm going to go do this thing, whatever that may be that you don't,~ um,~ agree with. And so that's where we are. I think I, I just feel like Christ was always like, let me see the bigger picture about you. Right. Every, you know, whether it was the woman at the well or whoever it was, he was saying, let's, let's talk about the, the, the big issue here.
Not that I'm judging you for what I see in this moment, but what is the bigger thing? How do I make you feel in, in included, in, you know, in, in this world, right? And so I think that that's what we have to do. And so for me, As a Christian talking about inclusion, I'm always just curious. I wanna know about you.
I wanna know what makes you move and what makes you, you know, do fulfill your purpose right in this world. And so that's why I'm open to other people's perspectives. Not that I'm agreeing with what, [00:09:00] what anything and everything that happens, but. I know that I don't have to understand or believe to include people.
So I think that's the thing that we have to really clarify. I love that. And actually,~ um,~ James Clear, the author of Atomic Habits. Have you, have you heard mm-hmm. Of him. He's, he's so good. Yeah, I, I have read that. And I actually did a story about Atomic Habits a couple of days ago. You did not. Oh my gosh. I did world.
That's crazy. Well, I get his 3, 2, 1 emails every Thursday, uhhuh, which is three ideas. I know you know this. Three ideas, two quotes, and one question. And the question from this past Thursdays is it's easy to find ways to improve when you are genuinely curious about something. Rather than asking yourself, how can I be better at this?
Start by asking, how can I be more curious about this? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I think that is the first step, and I'm curious if you agree with [00:10:00] me when it comes to this topic of diversification and being more inclusive. Really, honestly, focusing on the end result of what ultimately women listen to this podcast want, which is to grow their team.
How mm-hmm can we get really curious and how can you help us better understand what it looks like to build a more inclusive team? Yeah. I think the first thing, and I always say this, that it starts with being aware of who you are and how you built the belief system that you have, and to really be okay with questioning it.
I'm not saying. Question your Christianity. I'm saying question some of the things that you've been taught because they're not always the full picture, right? And so when I say I was raised at the corner of black and blue and all of that, I've really thought right, about how I, I have these particular perspectives of things.[00:11:00]
So if you don't know that, It's very difficult to open up yourself to other people because you don't even know who you are yet. And so a lot of times,~ um, uh, ~people, especially people who aren't people of color, have not had to really dig deep into their culture. Right. And so that's the thing. It's like, okay, how do I first become very self-aware about.
Where, why, where I got these beliefs, where do my opinions of people come from and all of that. So we start there. Then it's starting to open our minds and talk to other people. And so, you know, I talked to somebody a while back about,~ um,~ the movie The Woman King. She had gone to it and I talked about, you know, how it was just.
So fun for me and my daughter and my sister,~ um,~ to, to watch and all of that. And then she was like, oh, I had a really great experience. She was a white woman. She said, oh, I had a really great experience there too. And I was like, [00:12:00] well, this, here's the thing. We need to talk. About how it felt for me to watch that movie versus how it felt for you, and so that you can understand my perspective.
So we often try to get people to read like D D E I books and all of that kind of stuff. It's like, no, you can have two people who are in the same room, who have a totally different experience, two people who are on the same zoom. And have a totally different experience, right? And so what you do is have the same experience and then talk about how it felt different, and then take action steps from there, right?
So if you are on a Zoom and it's a team meeting, talk to different people of different cultures or different diversity categories and say, how did that feel for you? How did that translate for you When you get that data? Make a change, do something different. Right. So we're trying to do all this like, yeah.
I [00:13:00] tell people when I talk about diversity, equity, and inclusion, I'm not telling you to get a sign and go March. Look, listen. It's simple stuff. It's simple things you need to be doing. Yes. That is that the marching and being an advocate and a true ally and all of that is absolutely necessary. Right, but that's not what I'm saying when I'm saying diversity, equity, and inclusion.
And so we take it to a place where we're stagnant because we don't want to do anything because we're afraid, am I gonna say the wrong thing? Am I gonna do the wrong thing? And, and all of that. And so it's very simple things, right? So one, knowing who you are, then two, start talking to other people. Start opening yourself up to diverse creators on Instagram.
Right. Have you followed anybody that doesn't look like you, that doesn't have your ideal client look? Right? So we have to start to do that. Then we learn about people, we learn [00:14:00] about how they talk about themselves, we learn about their culture, and then we're able to interact with them and communicate better.
So, long answer to your question, but yeah, that's why, that's what we have to do to start this process. I love that and I love that you started with the starting point, cuz it can feel really overwhelming I think, to a lot of people. Yeah. Having those really simple steps that actually start with the easiest thing, which is like you said, your own personal story and lens.
Mm-hmm. And experience, which actually I have to give ~a ~a plug, I'm not gonna talk about it on this podcast, but on the interview that we're gonna do on yours. Okay. I would love to share, I think my lens for why this is at my core. Something that is important to me,~ um,~ in growing up at, in a very diverse high school environment and being, actually I was the president of our high school.
So anyway, sneak peek, but if you wanna hear that you're gonna ok. The episode that'll be on the Inclusive Networker podcast cuz we haven't recorded it yet. Yes. But I can't wait to talk about it. Yes. [00:15:00] Yeah. And I think that, I think you're right. Instead of being told what you should believe or told what certainly what the news or, you know, whatever some mm-hmm.
Blog. Mm-hmm. Like, start from, from your experience knowing that your experience is, is gonna be different from someone else. Yeah. Grew up in a completely different environment and that they can both be, they're not mutually exclusive. Is that what it is? They, they both. They both, yeah. Yeah. It's both and, right?
So sometimes it's both. And sometimes it's like, okay, your perspective is different from mine. Yours isn't right. Mine isn't right. Yours isn't wrong. Mine isn't wrong. Both of them. Can are, okay. Right? And so that's what we have to realize is that everybody's not gonna think like us. And that's good. We need a world of people who are different and who,~ um,~ you know, that brings about the, the spice of life, right?
And so we really need that,~ uh,~ and we need that to be able to, to grow. And so, Yeah, I think it's really important for us [00:16:00] to remember that there is a both end in, in life. Definitely. Well, and I'd love to touch on, you know, the more, the second piece of your question of, of really getting. Like asking the right questions of how people feel.
And you and I, both of our network marketing companies, do you mind if I share the name of your company that you're with? That's fine. Arbon, so. Mm-hmm. Ramon Arbon. I am with Seint, both Beauty, you know, and skincare companies. Mm-hmm. And specifically in that, and I know we have listeners that are with, you know, all different types, but you know, how, how would you say, in the beauty industry, How does a company like Seint or Arbon, that is, you know, primarily, and I don't know exactly how diverse, thanks to your efforts that, that Arbon has become, but how does that make a woman of color in particular feel?
Like, what's the, do you feel like that could be one of the reasons that's holding people back from diving in is, is the way that the, the brand makes them feel? [00:17:00] Absolutely. You know, and, and it's like that with any brand. We're not just talking about network marketing, right? We're just, we're talking about any brand.
Now, if people don't see themselves, and we're not telling the full story, people are craving the full story now, right? They don't want to just know,~ um,~ how this works for white people or, you know, Hispanic people or for black. People, they wanna know what is the full story of, of how your products work for, for different people.
And so I think that it is a deterrent when people don't see themselves in marketing, they don't see themselves at the top of the company, then it's like, okay, well, And how am I gonna get there? I have, I don't have the, the representation, I don't have the,~ um,~ leadership that is gonna help get me there. And, you know, we're, we're always talking about, you know, blaze your own trail, be a pioneer, all of that.
~Um, ~and I [00:18:00] think that that's important. It, it, it doesn't necessarily have to completely deter people, but I do think that in any company right now, If they are not being attentive to diversity and inclusion, then they're going to be way behind, because now we live in a global marketplace, right? And so when you think about this idea of how do we not only even reach people that are in the us, how do we make sure that we're,~ um,~ reaching people and, and the uniqueness of people who don't live here in this country, right?
That is,~ um,~ a huge issue. And so, Yeah, I think when people don't see themselves, they don't see systems and processes that work in their communities, and they're just told to do things that just work in, you know, one white middle class community and they know it doesn't work for them. It's hard. And so, ~um, ~yeah, I, I do think that that's a huge issue, especially in network marketing.[00:19:00]
I love that and I definitely wanna get into systems,~ um,~ in a minute and kind of hit that, you know, nail on the head. ~Um, ~but one of the things that came to my mind or my heart, even from my own personal experience in leading, like I said, some amazing mm-hmm. Women of color on my team, is I feel like, first of all, it is kind of a numbers game, right?
Like when you look at network marketing, network marketing can get a bad rap that you know, only certain percentage. ~Um, ~you know, reaches whatever, mm-hmm. Top or, you know, whatnot, which it really is. It's the people who do have that courage, that belief, that example, to follow the systems in place to, you know, to, to take it to that next level.
But I think when you look at a company, if it's a small percentage that are of a certain, you know, race or a certain Yeah. You know, group of people, then it's, that's gonna be more condensed, right? Mm-hmm. So if it's only for, mm-hmm 10% that reach a certain leadership rank, Well, 10% of a smaller group of people is definitely gonna be, you know, a smaller group.
And so what I have found is, you know, to help. Pour fuel on the fire for the ones that [00:20:00] absolutely have what it takes, which is what this podcast is all about. The ones that I know, if they just were equipped with those things and had the right encouragement and had that guidance from the Lord, which is a whole other part of the conversation, but you know that, that, that guidance from the Lord and they choose faith over fear, that finding ways to recognize that and pour encouragement and belief on them.
I think could be the answer. And I know for me there was a gal, I'm gonna give her a shout out. Her name's Erica that's on my team. And I remember when I met her at our reunion, I had the feeling, I was like, this girl is gonna be the first top woman of color, top leader in our company. And I told her that.
I was like, I just, mm-hmm. I feel like you have everything that it takes to take this thing mm-hmm. To the top. Mm-hmm. And so I'm curious if you feel like something like that, like how can we as leaders be more encouraging or, or, you know, kind of transfer that belief system? To women of color,~ um, and, ~and help them grow and be, and almost like mm-hmm.
Or blaze the trails like you said. Yeah, I think,~ um,~ it's really important [00:21:00] to ask them what they need, right? Mm-hmm. Because we can assume that's it. We can assume that this is what works and this is how you need to do it. But when we are,~ um,~ let's think back to,~ um,~ family. Okay? So when you think about your grandmother, your grandmother, when she was cooking, she didn't always use an exact recipe.
Right. And let me tell you why she didn't use the recipe, cuz she didn't know if she was gonna have the same ingredients in another kitchen that she went to. So she equipped you how to cook, not to just cook by a recipe, right? What does that mean for network marketing? So when we are talking about the systems and the things that we give, Women of color, or anybody on our team, if we give an exact recipe and we say, you gotta have this exact spice, this exact spice, this exact spice to make this work, and they take it to another kitchen, [00:22:00] that's a different community, a different culture.
And they don't have those spices, then it doesn't work for them. They can't make the recipe work. Right. But if we give frameworks and say, this is the type of thing that you need, you need a spice. So, That makes it salty, right? You don't have to have this salt or this spice. You just need a salty spice and this piece, right?
Then when they go to the next kitchen, they know the framework of what they're supposed to be doing and they can adapt. Yeah. But we're not allowing people to be able to adapt. What we do is, what I always ~uh ~say is we recruit for diversity, but we onboard for conformity. So we are saying, I want you to come in and be diverse, but when you get here, you duplicate exactly what I do.
That worked in my community, that worked in my lifestyle, that worked, cuz I've got a family [00:23:00] that's supporting me, that's a million people around here in this neighborhood, that's in the family that keep my kids and do everything I need. You gotta make this work. Mm-hmm. But I need to give you a. Framework that says, here's how you adjust if this isn't your same story, right?
If this isn't your lens, but what we're telling people is that you didn't follow the system, you didn't do what you're supposed to do. Right? But the system, what didn't work? Oh man, in my community, So I think that that's the things that we have to start thinking about. Ask people, when you follow this system, why is it not working for you?
And go back and ask some people that didn't make it, because we often said they just didn't follow the system. They couldn't do it. They had so much potential. I knew I thought they were gonna get to the top. This was the one. And then we don't ever ask like, okay, let's dig down a little deeper into these systems.[00:24:00]
And see what isn't working for these fabulous people who are coming onto my team. Like why are, why in the world would they not get to the top of this? Yep. Right. We've all had that story. We've all heard it. Right. So I think that's the issue is that we've got to start to think about how do we develop frameworks instead of recipes, and we have to stop recruiting for diversity and onboarding for conformity.
And so thinking about, you know, what is it that this person really needs? Yes, they have to follow a system. Don't get me wrong. We're network marketing, we need to duplicate. However, how do we adapt pieces of that and allow people to be able to adjust, put their own flavor, their own spice in this, and then I think people will be more successful.
~Uh, ~oh my goodness. I don't know about the people listening, but all I know is I feel super convicted because this, [00:25:00] it's so simple, but it's like, how could we miss? Yeah. The most important. Mm-hmm. Which I've literally done a, an entire episode on like the, the acronym of leadership and like how or leader acronym.
And the A is Ask Great Questions is the mark of a good leader. Mm-hmm. And how can we make all these assumptions or share all these stories or, you know, just accept what has happened with all of these women. And I can think, I mean, Erica's one of them, but I can think of many that have even enrolled directly.
Mm-hmm. Me that fit, that exact mold that I'm like, I know they could take this thing to the top, but they didn't. And so instead of just either accepting it or you know, being like, well that's weird. Or, you know, embracing the numbers, I say mm-hmm. It's like the que it's just ask 'em the question and don't be scared.
That's about choosing faith over fear to know, and I'd be curious. Yeah. Wanna make sure that if I were, if you had joined my team and you did not, you know, you followed the system that I gave to you and you did not have success. If I were to come to you and say, Ramona, can I ask you a bold question? Did [00:26:00] you, you know, can you share your experience with, with me of how these systems did or didn't work for you and your mm-hmm.
Particular with women of color, for example. Would that goal for the question, would that help serve them and would that be res well received? Yeah, I mean, I think that you can just ask the, the, the questions directly and ~um, ~say, you know, that what part of this didn't work for your life, like what did it not work for your community?
And I always teach people, I have an acronym called roar, r o a r. ~Um, ~and so in network marketing, the. Your war is broken. If you are, you know, they're part of systems, right? If something's not working, so war stands for recruitment, onboarding your activity or your retention. Mm-hmm. So if your recruitment is off, if your onboarding's not right, if you don't have the activity or you don't have the retention pieces, then there's a break somewhere.
And [00:27:00] so that's the things that I would tell people to look across. Right. What's happening with their recruitment and what's, what's the recruitment system you taught them, and then what's the issue within that recruitment system? When you onboarded them, did they get everything that they need? Right? The activity, did they have re recipes or did they have frameworks?
Right. The retention, did you have a team environment that was inclusive? Right? Did you help them to really adapt and to be able to, to stay on the team, right? Instead of just this, this turn off. And so, ~um, ~That's the things that I, I would have you to evaluate your roar, you know? And ROAR also stands for Speak out.
Speak up for diversity. Right. And so, ~um, ~we're speaking out, we're speaking up, and then we're looking across our recruitment, our onboarding, our activity, and our retention systems. Yeah. I am curious if you even feel like this episode in [00:28:00] particular as I'm listening to you talk and as we're having this conversation, I can think of, well, namely some people at our corporate, but also, you know, some, some of these leaders that either are still with Seint you know, or with my company or maybe, or even leaders at another company that I've interacted with and sending them this to empower them to.
Be a part of the conversation, realizing that there's no political agenda of any sort, you know, wrapped up in any of this. It's, it's truly, yeah, no better love and grow our team, cuz that's the best part about network marketing is it's truly win-win. You get to win when you help a other people win. So how can you help more people win knowing that, you know, women of color need great makeup or need good skincare or shake, you know, health shakes to improve their gut or a fitness routine like, And again, if your product or your company isn't inclusive, that's a, that's a whole other, that's a whole other thing.
But I think most are, so then it's like mm-hmm. How can we better, better grow our own [00:29:00] businesses while helping people feel even more included And Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. What has happened and I, I definitely think that they need to hear this. What has happened is though we have got more,~ um,~ just caught up in terms instead of impact.
Mm. So it's not, the terms are triggers to people. Right. And so they just shut down when they hear the terms. But what we need to be focused on is how are we with the work that we say that we were gonna do, how are we impacting people's lives? Why am I so passionate about network marketing? Well, because I do think it's a business that's equitable, right?
I think that anybody can really join network marketing and they can come in and they can do great. It has a very low,~ um,~ you know, entry. Level to come into network marketing. It's easy for people to get into. And so it is a way for all [00:30:00] people to be able to have business. You are in equity already, right?
Because that's what we're trying to do when network marketing. And so the issue is is that we got so caught up in what people said these terms were that we forgot to just look at the humanity in everybody. Right. And so when we look at the humanity in people, then we can realize that the activity of diversity, equity, and inclusion is what we should be doing anyway, right?
You can call it what you wanna call it, but what we need to do is the activity that makes the impact. On people. So this is people over politics. We don't have to do politics whatsoever. It's people over politics. A lot of companies say we're people, we're purpose, all of that. But then they let politics come in and, you know, just completely cloud their judgment [00:31:00] about what they should be doing to really,~ um,~ care for their people.
And so, ~um, ~yeah, I definitely think it's a conversation that needs to be had. And it's not about the terms, it's about really that impact. Oh, so. Good. Well, I have to say, Ramona, this, this conversation is everything I dreamed it to be and more because I knew and felt on my heart. You know, again, the minute that I found you, I was like, I, I was so excited for this, but I just can't thank you enough for bringing not only the, the kind of deeper other side of the story of what it looks like, but also some tangible things that people can do to implement.
Namely, again, just as a reminder to get. You know, curious and about your own journey of where your beliefs, mm-hmm. Your frameworks, especially when it comes to race, right? Where that comes from, but then asking those questions and getting curious about others that if you've had women on your team that.
We're diverse [00:32:00] and it didn't work. Or if you don't have that yet, getting really curious and asking why. And then in finding mm-hmm. Ways to embrace and diversify just the, the relationships that you have. Like even just this Yeah. I'm, yes. Mm-hmm. Like this is just of this. So thank you absolutely for being here and for, for just sharing this message today.
You're amazing. Absolutely. Well, thank you and I'm so excited to be here and to share this message because I think it's so important for us to realize that it's not, it there, there's no ulterior motives. They, this is what we came here for. We came to love people and to make sure that everybody can reach their highest potential.
Right? And so if we're not doing that, shame on us. Shame on us, right? And so we've got to do what we came to do. What do we come to network marketing for? What do we come to this earth for? To make sure that we make an impact on other people. So if we're letting something like a [00:33:00] term or some definition of something stopping us from.
Really sharing love with people then that that's not what we're supposed to be doing, right? And so we gotta all do better. We gotta do better. So thank you for having me, Heather. And where can people, cause I know you've got some really great tools and resources, of course you have the podcast, the Inclusive network or podcast.
But where can people go to find more about the awesome resources that you have for them? And is there anything in particular you wanna share? Yeah, just hop over to Instagram. If you go to Instagram, it's Dr. Ramona h Lawrence on Instagram. You can click the link and find a lot of different resources, including my podcast and different,~ uh,~ downloads and things that I have for,~ uh,~ people to really plug into.
And so, yeah, hang out there and I would love to have a conversation with anybody who is open to it. Well, and you know what I was thinking too? Did I see? Are you on threads? I am now. I, I just got on there [00:34:00] yesterday. Me too. Which of course, by the time this airs, well, I don't think it'll be old news. It'll be even crazier, but I think it just came out.
Just came out, I'm pretty sure. But I remember saying, I was like, okay, she's on there. But I think this is one of those conversations that, you know, especially with our mutual connections, we've even shared some that we have already. I feel like, girl, let's go blow it up over there. Cuz this is the, this is the, yeah.
I, and that's the type of environment that I think this conversation and the connections that it, it seems overwhelming and I know it seems way more overwhelming than to me than it probably does to you given that this is literally what you do. But I feel like it's conversations and these connections that can help start, that spark the fire of, of mm-hmm.
Changing the dynamic, not just in network marketing, but honestly even like you were saying in business in general, cuz it is something that, mm-hmm. Isn't just inherent in this industry. So I'm excited. Yeah, yeah. Talk about this. Absolutely. Yes. In ~fact, um,~ I am gonna take a picture. [00:35:00] I can't believe I'm doing this cuz I've, I've been off of, oh wait, see, I don't even know how to do it cuz it's, the light's weird, but, okay.
Yay. I'm gonna share this picture on threads and if you're not following both of us on there, definitely hop on over there. ~Um, ~yeah. Fun. This conversation. So thank you again and I'll make sure to link all the things in the show notes as well. And definitely check out the interview. That will also be on the Inclusive networker, where I share a little bit of my story over there too, so yay.
Yes, absolutely. Thank you. See ya. Yay. Bye.
